Ep. 5 A Mysterious Cause of Death in Cabo

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Speaker 4 00:56

Pack your body bags, we’re going on a sleigh -cation. I’m your co -host, Adam Tex Davis, and as always, I’m joined by my lovely wife and true crime, Nut. Hi.

 

Speaker 2 01:08

Tim? Hello.

 

Speaker 4 01:11

Hi, Kimmy. You seem very revved up for this one. Oh, wow. How you doing? All right. Let’s bring in a little extra today. And then my long -time friend and business partner and buddy and true crime producer and producing partner and all these other things.

 

Speaker 4 01:29

Jerry, how you doing?

 

Speaker 3 01:30

I’m good. Tex, how you doing? I’m all right. Great to hear it. Yeah.

 

Speaker 4 01:34

Yeah, today we’re talking about murders that happen on vacation, otherwise known as a sleigh occasion. I don’t know what’s going on in the case. I deliberately keep myself sequestered from knowing anything so that I can be like you the rest of the week.

 

Speaker 4 01:50

Kind of like grazing.

 

Speaker 2 01:50

our kid. Yeah. Oh, that was a shock. I couldn’t help it. I’m sorry. It was a joke guys. No, he’s a wonderful father.

 

Speaker 4 01:59

let’s ask our kid so thank you honey but i definitely sequester myself from knowing anything so that i like you the listener can hear and hopefully i can ask questions that you would ask if you were here but kim you’ve been toiling away on this i think i’ve missed six dinners because you’ve been toiling away on this i make my own dinner by the way this one seems like a toughie so you know what let’s just get right into it all right kim where does this week’s Slaycation take place

 

Speaker 2 02:28

We will be slaking in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico. All right, so what’s going on, honey? The who, what, where, when, what the fuck happened? That’s what this case is. Just me asking those questions and just- Because it’s confounding?

 

Speaker 2 02:49

So yeah, I think confounding is the right word. So let’s begin with the setup. Okay. So on October 28th, 2022, so- Oh, just happened. Yeah, a woman by the name of Shankuela Robinson and six of her travel companions.

 

Speaker 4 03:13

Ah, this one’s been in the news. Yes. A lot. Yes. I was wondering when we were going to get to this one. Yes. We’re there. Yeah. We’re here. All right. I mean, I know the headlines. Right. I don’t know the details that you are…

 

Speaker 2 03:26

confounded by. So, six of her travel companions, that would be Khalil Cook, Winter Donovan, Alyssa Hyatt, Deejanae Jackson, on October 28, 2022, arrived in San Jose del Cabo, Mexico. And another one who would show up the following day, Nisir Wiggins.

 

Speaker 3 03:51

I didn’t know you had a list of names. I didn’t find a list of names. Oh, yeah. So this is new information for me.

 

Speaker 2 03:56

I needed to know the names. I did a little extra digging for them. Yes

 

Speaker 3 04:02

They’ve been very careful not to say the names. Yeah.

 

Speaker 4 04:05

So it’s her and five people go down there right on the 28th one meets them as three guys three girls

 

Speaker 2 04:11

Yes. Yes. And they would be staying in a resort city in the luxurious Cabo Villa. And the group would retire to Villa Linda 32, where celebratory birthday shenanigans were on the docket for the next day.

 

Speaker 2 04:33

And two of the guests, Dejanay Jackson and I think Nazir Wiggins, would be celebrating their birthdays. So it was a birthday celebration. And these people were in their 20s? 30s? They were in their 20s.

 

Speaker 2 04:48

Chancuela was born on January 9th, 1997. So they’re all in their 20s and the group is acquainted with each other. So they arrive there the 28th of October and they get their Villa. And apparently it’s beautiful.

 

Speaker 2 05:04

They have their own pool. They have a private chef. It’s a five bedroom, beautiful layout. And the place goes for almost $1 ,500 a night.

 

Speaker 3 05:16

you know you got six people there yeah so it’s it’s not the ford

 

Speaker 4 05:19

Yeah, right. So oh you see there mr. Moneybags

 

Speaker 2 05:24

Well, anyway.

 

Speaker 3 05:27

I don’t know what’s happening right now. I’m just kidding.

 

Speaker 2 05:32

Yeah, so they get there, they’re all ready to celebrate, you know, given just the nature of why they’re there, you figure everybody’s just happy to be there and, you know, they would drink and they would eat and why wouldn’t you?

 

Speaker 2 05:46

You have a private chef, you have a chef. Yeah, right.

 

Speaker 4 05:50

That is nice. Place is beautiful too. It’s gorgeous. Nothing bad ever happens there until…

 

Speaker 2 05:56

So Shinkuela would speak to her mother that night that they first got there, and her mom reports that she sounds happy and cheerful and just looking forward to the rest of her stay there. And how long were they staying?

 

Speaker 2 06:09

They were just staying until I think it was the 31st, just the weekend.

 

Speaker 4 06:15

so weekend beautiful villa private chef private pool yeah sounds like the perfect setup for us location yeah what

 

Speaker 2 06:24

very unfortunately. So she’s in great spirits. They’re young, so you know they’re posting on social media. And there’s a couple of posts of her posting when she gets there and posting. So it’s this Instagram?

 

Speaker 2 06:40

Yeah. There’s actually a video of her kind of calling out to the group like, where y ‘all hoes at? And I think they were going to go skinny dipping or something. In the private pool. Yeah. I mean, why not?

 

Speaker 3 06:54

I have one of the posts I found from the villa. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I’ll show you I should say before I show you this photo She was considered to be a minor Influencer, she was very active. Yeah, she was active.

 

Speaker 3 07:07

I think her accounts have been removed But this is a clearly opposed sort of Instagram photo

 

Speaker 4 07:12

Okay. It does look like a commercial. Like it looks like an advertising. Yeah, it’s really.

 

Speaker 3 07:16

That’s a nicely done photo.

 

Speaker 4 07:17

Yeah, it’s beautiful.

 

Speaker 2 07:18

That’s just her there. I believe she did some modeling.

 

Speaker 3 07:22

beautiful beautiful and the photos beautifully posed and well lit

 

Speaker 4 07:26

That could be an ad for the bag that she’s holding it could be an ad for the sunglasses the outfit So that is what the last post or no? No, it’s I don’t think we’re just last

 

Speaker 2 07:35

It’s just one of many. It’s like, you know, when you’re young and you’re happening and you’re happening, babe.

 

Speaker 3 07:40

You’re down there for a birthday weekend with a bunch of your friends and acquaintances. Made sure you look great, you got your hair done, took your coolest looking clothes, so why not take a picture who’s doing your thing?

 

Speaker 4 07:51

All right, so she’s the social media influencer. She’s down there with her friends. We got two birthdays

 

Speaker 2 07:57

Yeah, and apparently my understanding was that she didn’t know the others very well Oh, I mean there were more like just a part of the group It felt like maybe a friend of a friend kind of situation

 

Speaker 4 08:11

So it wasn’t like a necessarily a friend group as much as like friends and in friends of friends, right? Yeah

 

Speaker 3 08:17

Okay, a bunch of them are from, I’ll just mention from Winston Salem State University. Right.

 

Speaker 2 08:22

That’s where Shonquella had gone to college. And I know that Khalil had also. Okay.

 

Speaker 3 08:29

And just to give a little more context for her, many of them met at Winston -Salem. Yeah, that’s right. She actually had a business grating children’s hair.

 

Speaker 2 08:38

Exquisite kids, she called it. And she also had a business where she sold women’s clothes and her friend Khalil would design some of those clothes. And he was a really good friend of hers. From what I understand, he had vacationed with her and her family.

 

Speaker 2 08:58

Right. Previously. But there was no romantic. No, no, there was nothing romantic. Just friends. Between them, just friends. Interesting content. Yeah.

 

Speaker 4 09:07

And just friends. So two best friends, guy and girl down there, they’re very entrepreneurial. Yes. She’s kind of a hot shit influencer to some degree. Yeah, I would say that. How many Instagram followers did she have?

 

Speaker 4 09:23

We don’t know. Oh. We don’t know. We haven’t been.

 

Speaker 3 09:26

able to find some sort of counselor gun gotcha she wasn’t like a major influencer right I’ll tell you what

 

Speaker 4 09:32

picture was pretty good but I would get

 

Speaker 3 09:34

Some likes you can be a minor influencer these days makes money online, but she was making money from her businesses She was like living the kind of 20 -something right of being an entrepreneur and like your own business and not having to go to the office nine to five So that was her thing

 

Speaker 2 09:51

It seemed to me too that she was very friendly. She had a really nice relationship with her parents.

 

Speaker 3 09:58

close with her mom even like to the point where on this fun friend’s trip to Mexico she called her mom from Mexico to check in like

 

Speaker 4 10:06

she’s a good kid. Makes it sad. Yeah. It is sad. It is sad. I mean, of course it’s sad.

 

Speaker 3 10:10

And she’s also…

 

Speaker 2 10:12

I know it’s harder for you to make your jokes when it’s sad like this. He’ll find it. I know.

 

Speaker 3 10:18

He always finds a way to joke.

 

Speaker 4 10:20

You guys want to go on a vacation?

 

Speaker 3 10:21

She’s, this sort of plays into what we’re about to get into, but she’s known to be a very, she’s not a violent person. She doesn’t like drama. She’s never the person who’s at the center of like the drama.

 

Speaker 3 10:32

She’s more of a peacemaker. I mean, there are people like that.

 

Speaker 2 10:35

She just comes across as just really open and friendly and kind. She just exuded that. Oh boy. Also…

 

Speaker 3 10:46

It seems like you guys are trying to. I think we’re avoiding this. Honestly, again, I’m not a fan of getting into these cases sometimes because they’re just sad. You know, we’re about to get into some stuff that’s just like, what?

 

Speaker 3 11:01

As Kim said, it’s like the what the fuck? This one is so what the fuck that it’s confounding is the right word.

 

Speaker 2 11:07

The thing that makes it difficult to is that there’s differing accounts, what we do know is that at a certain point on the 29th of October, which is day two, so she hasn’t even been there a full 24 hours, one of them reaches out to the concierge and says that they have a friend that’s needing medical assistance and requiring the care of a physician.

 

Speaker 4 11:41

I don’t say like bleeding or. No, no.

 

Speaker 2 11:44

What they say is, we have a friend, she has alcohol poisoning, can we have somebody? Right, doctor or EMT or whatever. Right, and so this was approximately, I guess maybe two -ish? In the morning. Two in the afternoon.

 

Speaker 2 12:00

In the afternoon. Right. Oh, right. So I had gotten the sense from looking at the video of her calling out to her friends, that this had all taken place during that morning. That’s my guest. And she’s in the room.

 

Speaker 2 12:15

She’s in the villa.

 

Speaker 3 12:17

Just to add one thing is, so just before noon on that day, Chancuella was found passed out on the floor of one of the bathrooms in the villa by a housekeeper. The housekeeper, assuming she was probably just sleeping it off, it’s a party town, let her friends know, hey, you know, your friend is passed out in the bathroom.

 

Speaker 3 12:37

And then around- Where were the friends just- They were around the villa. Gotcha. So then around two o ‘clock, about two hours after that, is when the friends called the concierge and said, we need medical help for our friend who has had too much alcohol.

 

Speaker 3 12:51

So they called for help for Chancuella about two hours later. Gotcha.

 

Speaker 2 12:54

Right, so they call the doctor, the doctor arrives, assesses Shanquella, who’s unresponsive.

 

Speaker 3 13:04

She’s minimally responsive, so it’s like, this is by the way an hour later, so now it’s around 3 .15. Okay, so the doctor arrives around 3 .15.

 

Speaker 2 13:13

She does her vitals and notes that her vitals are overall normal.

 

Speaker 3 13:18

Mm -hmm somewhat responsive, but he describes her later as clearly dehydrated

 

Speaker 4 13:25

dehydration dehydration part of alcohol but it’s also like you know right and that’s what

 

Speaker 2 13:29

What a par for the poor when you’ve been drinking, and she had suggested that her friends take Chinquela to the hospital.

 

Speaker 3 13:37

She strongly, strongly suggested that Sean Quela go to the hospital.

 

Speaker 2 13:42

right and they friends refused yeah they were adamant that she be treated at the villa by who

 

Speaker 3 13:48

The doctor. Oh and the doctor said the only thing they could do is to do an IV line To rehydrate her the doctor is concerned that it’s dehydration plus she’s minimally responsive So she’s really should she be she should be in a hospital, right?

 

Speaker 3 14:03

The friends are refusing that so this is now almost 445 ish. Yeah, they’ve been trying to put an IV in her and During the attempts to put the IV in her arm. She has a seizure

 

Speaker 2 14:15

Yeah, so she starts having a seizure and now it’s now they call

 

Speaker 3 14:20

an ambulance but okay okay you can take them now they call an ambulance but at this point she has the seizure and then she goes into cardiopulmonary arrest

 

Speaker 2 14:27

And the doctor begins CPR. Okay.

 

Speaker 3 14:32

yeah and and uh didn’t work uh around just before six o ‘clock after many attempts to cpr and resuscitate her she’s pronounced dead at the villa right

 

Speaker 2 14:44

Well, the paramedics had come and they had pulled all the stops with doing more rounds of CPR, giving her adrenaline and the defibrillator and even following all of that. Gotcha. Yeah. So, on October 29th, 2022, at 5 .57 p .m., Shonquella was pronounced dead.

 

Speaker 2 15:09

Okay.

 

Speaker 3 15:11

And at this point, the story is that she drank too much alcohol, she passed out, and then just somehow that led to this seizure and cardiopulmonary arrest, which is not normally where you end up from drinking too much.

 

Speaker 4 15:28

Could have, it could happen. Now I am scratching my chin. The friends didn’t want her to go to the hospital. Correct. And it makes me chin -scratchingly suspicious. You should be, that’s reasonable. So that’s my first little.

 

Speaker 3 15:44

Yeah, that is definitely a good hmm.

 

Speaker 4 15:46

Because why wouldn’t you want your friend, but also it’s like wait they get to have authority over

 

Speaker 2 15:52

Well, okay, so I know that at a certain point when it all started Where they when they had received when they had noted that she wasn’t doing well and they were going to have the doctor come Khalil had called her mother to let her know that She wasn’t feeling well right and that she had alcohol poisoning right and they was getting her Help she was getting medical attention.

 

Speaker 2 16:20

So he had kept in touch with

 

Speaker 4 16:25

Okay, now obviously if was asked like, hey, can we take her to the hospital would probably have said yes. Yes, yes. I’m sure he didn’t. And then Khalil. Sure he didn’t.

 

Speaker 2 16:34

I mean, as somebody that her mother knew as a close friend of her daughter’s, I’m sure that she wasn’t alarmed because she trusted that.

 

Speaker 3 16:47

Actually, you’re bringing up a point. I don’t know what the rules are on that. Like, if something were to happen to me right now and an ambulance or a doctor came, and you guys said, don’t take him to the hospital.

 

Speaker 3 16:56

I can’t even imagine.

 

Speaker 2 16:58

the reality of a medical professional saying to me, I think that they should go to the hospital and me going, no, no, I don’t think that’s a good idea.

 

Speaker 3 17:10

Do you have the authority to say no? Can the paramedics insist that they take me to the hospital? Or are my friends allowed to say no?

 

Speaker 4 17:19

could take you? I don’t know. Your friends don’t have authority over you.

 

Speaker 2 17:23

Don’t know I think that there was an issue of cost or insurance. I don’t know is this

 

Speaker 4 17:28

Doctor part of the villa so they called an outside doctor like who was local Came over recommended and then you said that the doctor said you need to take her So like you need to take her not know the doctor wanted

 

Speaker 3 17:42

And the doctor wanted an ambulance to come and take her to the hospital.

 

Speaker 4 17:45

said no no no correct I don’t understand why a doctor wouldn’t overrule that and just but whatever okay just the sheer fact that they’re saying no no no I mean

 

Speaker 2 17:54

I don’t know that a doctor could overrule that. I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know what the…

 

Speaker 4 18:00

Like if you did something stupid and you’re trying to like don’t take her to the hospital because there’s gonna find something or something suspicious Like I mean if you just leave her there and something which clearly happened that’s all gonna come out So it feels kind of stupid to not let her go and have the best chance of Surviving but it seems like nobody thought that like oh my god.

 

Speaker 4 18:23

This is not going to happen, right, right?

 

Speaker 2 18:25

I mean, one could speculate that their understanding was she’s intoxicated. She just needs to sleep it off. She’ll be fine.

 

Speaker 4 18:36

Let’s not make a big deal about it. Let’s not ruin the vacation. And now we’re dealing with hospitals and stuff, right? That’s true. I mean, even when you fell and hit your head when we were down the shore, it was like, oh God, we’re gonna spend the whole day in the hospital getting you stitches.

 

Speaker 4 18:50

But your loving husband was like, insisted that we do that. Okay, that’s it.

 

Speaker 2 18:55

That’s not how that happened. Kind of is. No, that’s exactly.

 

Speaker 4 18:58

That’s not what happened. What, you think you wanted to go and I said no? That’s exactly what happened.

 

Speaker 2 19:03

what happened. Yes, that’s exactly what happened. Anyway.

 

Speaker 3 19:08

Here’s where this might fall. I’m just looking this up because I’m curious now. So you personally can say, I don’t want to go to the hospital. They have to honor it, but they also have to inform you of all of the risks.

 

Speaker 3 19:18

Basically, the rule is if you can say who you are, where you are, what day it is, what’s going on, you’re allowed to refuse treatment and transport. Now, in a case where you can’t, which is her case, because she’s minimally responsive, your legal guardian or someone who has power of attorney can say yes or no.

 

Speaker 3 19:39

But in the case where the person’s unresponsive and no one in that room is their guardian or has power of attorney, you’re in a gray area. And that’s when the medical personnel have to make a decision.

 

Speaker 3 19:52

Now, if you are alone and you’re unresponsive, then they can treat you as having implied consent. But in her case, she had people saying no. So it’s a gray area.

 

Speaker 4 20:01

And now all of them were saying no, even the best friend or we don’t know.

 

Speaker 3 20:04

What we know for sure is her best friend didn’t insist because she didn’t go to the hospital. So I don’t know whether he said no or not, but he definitely didn’t overrule the no.

 

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Speaker 4 21:15

This show is called Slaycation, not I drank too much and passed out and had a seizure and a heart attack and died. So is there more?

 

Speaker 2 21:23

Well, at this point, Chinquila is deceased, and her family has to be notified. And Khalil calls Chinquila’s mother and informs her that Chinquila’s passed. And now there’s all these arrangements now that have to be made to bring her body back to the United States.

 

Speaker 2 21:45

And this was interesting, was that very same night, her travel companions had asked the concierge, the people at the resort, to get them a car or something. They was going out to dinner, but they ended up just going back to the US.

 

Speaker 2 22:04

So they just left. They just took off and, you know, all of them.

 

Speaker 3 22:10

Every last one. Damn. And the folks at the front desk and some workers unrelated to each other independently reported that the group was laughing and sort of having fun. They weren’t necessarily behaving.

 

Speaker 3 22:24

I don’t want to do the whole how you’re supposed to behave when someone dies, but these people apparently laughing and didn’t seem particularly upset. But again, people deal with things different ways, but they left.

 

Speaker 3 22:38

They left. They left.

 

Speaker 2 22:40

and you know, they bought Shonkwella’s belongings, bought it back to her parents. Who did? Her travel.

 

Speaker 4 22:48

Companions okay, so they left, but they didn’t leave like as in scattering and well he the friend I guess took some stuff

 

Speaker 2 22:55

He took her things and brought it back to her family, right?

 

Speaker 4 22:59

but her family had to go down and get her and stuff or uh

 

Speaker 2 23:02

They had to make arrangements, yeah, they had to find out where she was and then make arrangements and my understanding is that that whole thing costs them about $7 ,000. So at that point, her family, their understanding now is, okay, so she got drunk and it wasn’t really sitting right with them.

 

Speaker 2 23:25

Or me. Right, right.

 

Speaker 3 23:29

story is very you know it’s murky murky in long that’s long it’s like a long there’s like six hours elapsed from the first like hey she’s Chunkwala’s last out in the bathroom until she’s passed away

 

Speaker 4 23:42

Shunkwell are like known as a big drinker is no not it

 

Speaker 2 23:46

all. Not at all. And that’s why her family is surprised. Did they do an autopsy, honestly? Yes. The Mexican authorities did do an autopsy. And look, even if you’re not, you know, if you’re not a big drinker and you drink so much, you know, one might say, Oh, your body’s not used to that.

 

Speaker 2 24:02

I mean, there’s just so many moving pieces. But you know, at this point, that was the narrative that they kept going on about alcohol poisoning, alcohol poisoning. Every piece of information that I had read related to this case, that was what they kept saying.

 

Speaker 2 24:23

So the Mexican autopsy essentially said that Chancuela died of, in layman terms, a broken neck. A broken neck.

 

Speaker 3 24:34

Her spine and neck were were broken. Oh

 

Speaker 4 24:39

snap and there was some damage to that could that have happened during the season or

 

Speaker 3 24:46

Not according to the Mexican autopsy. All right.

 

Speaker 4 24:49

the Mexican autopsy. How is the Mexican autopsy different than an American autopsy? It’s done with, uh, it’s just done in Mexico. It’s done in Mexico. Okay, just making sure there’s not a…

 

Speaker 3 25:00

There’s no we’re saying specific though. It’s it’s an autopsy. It’s just done in Mexico and No, they said that there was a violent. It was a violent

 

Speaker 4 25:10

Death. But the doctor did not note that.

 

Speaker 3 25:13

No, because the doctor, as far as they knew, were treating a passed out person who was unresponsive from alcohol poisoning. And no evidence of alcohol in her blood.

 

Speaker 4 25:25

What? Yeah. How do you die of alcohol poisoning with no alcohol in your blood?

 

Speaker 2 25:29

Well, look, again, it’s complicated. The answer is…

 

Speaker 4 25:33

She didn’t die of alcohol poison.

 

Speaker 2 25:36

That seems to be the case. It does seem to be the case. And that’s not twisty.

 

Speaker 3 25:42

Yeah. So the autopsy was conducted the day after her death. She died of a broken neck when they did her death certificate. They noted the cause of a severe spinal cord injury and atlas luxation, which is the neck injury.

 

Speaker 4 25:54

So how do you get a broken neck by not drinking alcohol?

 

Speaker 3 25:57

Well, the autopsy also noted some interesting things that then raised many more questions. So they noticed that she had a three inch bruise on her forehead, maybe from falling. Also had bruises on her left wrist, both sides of her pelvis, internal hemorrhaging behind her right eye.

 

Speaker 3 26:16

And this is where the problem with all of these things that they noted that these injuries all occurred more than 12 hours before her death at 557, somewhere within the 12 hour range. More than 12 hours?

 

Speaker 3 26:28

Yeah. She died around 6 p .m. Okay. So they’re saying sometime earlier that morning. Gotcha. The morning. Okay. And that’s basically what the report says. So now the family is like… Well, somebody beat the shit out of her.

 

Speaker 2 26:40

Yeah, sounds like so that brings us to the video so a video surface is November 16th I believe so a month later, right a video surfaces online. I don’t even know where specifically Apparently somebody in the group leaked the video Okay, what’s the video?

 

Speaker 2 27:03

So the video is of Shanquella being brutally beaten by one of her travel companions and That travel companion was identified as Dejanae Jackson knew it was gonna be her

 

Speaker 4 27:21

Oh, you were right. So wait, one person, one person.

 

Speaker 2 27:28

It’s so awful and so upsetting that…

 

Speaker 4 27:33

And it was just posted, like just somebody posted it.

 

Speaker 2 27:36

We’re unclear on how it got out. And how it got out and how it was leaked. It’s interesting because in the video, you see this woman just attacking Shanquella and literally just hammering her with punches and kneeing her to her face.

 

Speaker 2 27:56

Oh, Jesus. I mean, it was…

 

Speaker 3 27:58

the spots on the autopsy, basically. It’s like a list, you know, and you see it starts outside and she’s punching her and punching her and they come in the room and she’s hitting her. And someone’s.

 

Speaker 4 28:08

following with the camera

 

Speaker 3 28:10

There’s someone with the camera. It looks like there might be someone else in the room. Someone else, it sounds like not the camera person says something like, you know, Quela, why aren’t you even fighting back, right?

 

Speaker 3 28:20

Which is, her dad is like, that’s not her style. She’s not gonna fight back.

 

Speaker 4 28:23

you said that before she ends

 

Speaker 3 28:25

up on the ground and this person’s still pummeling her and it’s just a it’s a horrible video I mean it’s a horrible

 

Speaker 2 28:31

Video I think for me the thing that I found most upsetting about it was why are you taking video of this? Why is this guy who her friend her friend is he’s there is he in the video? I believe he’s the one that said quela aren’t you gonna even fight back hmm.

 

Speaker 2 28:48

I believe that was him

 

Speaker 4 28:50

I mean you could say like look some kind of scrap happens and one person’s fighting and you’re like hey fight back It’s like you can’t just if someone’s getting their ass

 

Speaker 3 29:00

fight. This is an attack. It’s not a fight. And look.

 

Speaker 2 29:03

like, let’s just take a moment. We’re adults. Are we really going to just let two of our travel companions just have at it? Like, are we really going to let them do that? Which ones? Depends on what you’re talking about.

 

Speaker 4 29:19

on the person. Who are they? I can make a list. I can make a list.

 

Speaker 3 29:23

No, no, we would we would all we would all stop

 

Speaker 2 29:26

I can’t imagine that we would just be like with our cameras taking a video and and and not I’d probably

 

Speaker 4 29:33

the one hitting.

 

Speaker 3 29:35

Not like this you would fight someone if you needed to this is not a fight This is a so this person is very clearly within like the first three or four seconds like Shonkwell Is appears to be non -responsive so she got knocked out and it’s not held up happening still punching it Right and then she’s on the ground and it’s just

 

Speaker 4 29:53

Yeah, why does nobody stop these things and then allegedly she’s got her good friend Who’s there and not stopping it, but I mean sometimes nobody’s stopping you Yeah, but I’m like two girls are fighting and maybe the guy doesn’t want to jump in and

 

Speaker 2 30:08

Well, I guess the thing is, it’s not a fight. And the thing is, it’s, I mean, if you were to witness that.

 

Speaker 4 30:15

Hold on, I got to see this video. All right, here we go. I’m going to watch this. So a lot of slapping, beating, kind of knocks her down, continues pummeling. Oh, man. Yeah, she’s not fighting back at all.

 

Speaker 4 30:27

She’s just sitting there.

 

Speaker 3 30:28

So like she’s more than just sitting there. She looks days days. Yeah

 

Speaker 4 30:33

Right, but here’s the thing, I watch a lot of videos that are like fight videos, person’s down. I mean, the kick was pretty bad, but none of those look like kill shot type things. It’s like…

 

Speaker 3 30:45

Well, the problem with those kind of things is like you don’t have to have a kill shot But if you cause someone enough internal damage And then throw them in a bathroom for five hours right to be found by housekeeping

 

Speaker 4 30:59

neck was broken, but it definitely was a one -sided fight. It wasn’t a fight. It was one person pummeling another person. And then they do walk off. They didn’t just keep going and have to be pulled off.

 

Speaker 4 31:11

In a way, I’ve seen worse videos on some of these crazy clips and crap that’s on Twitter and stuff.

 

Speaker 2 31:17

But but is it a group of friends that are supposedly vacationing together? Is it a fight happened?

 

Speaker 4 31:26

friends. I mean, it’s not usually happening.

 

Speaker 2 31:28

among friends, but I mean, let’s not pretend that this is… Or husbands -and -wives. Yeah. Okay. Let’s not pretend that this is the same thing as, you know, just a fight. I mean, they’re a group of friends or rather a group of…

 

Speaker 2 31:44

Well, I was going to say, they’re not even all friends. Well, right. But the thing is, it’s like if you’re there and you have somebody that, from everybody’s understanding, Khalil Cook was her very close friend.

 

Speaker 2 31:55

Right. But he’s like… If you had conversations with your family, like at the very least, would you think that they would just sit by and watch as you got beaten that way?

 

Speaker 4 32:11

I mean look it all happens very fast, and it’s not like a prolonged minutes long beating It’s the whole thing takes place in about 30 seconds right, but the app

 

Speaker 3 32:20

aftermath also.

 

Speaker 2 32:21

Right, but the thing is too, it’s like, how do you have your camera up and ready for that whole thing? I mean, that’s the thing. I mean, you have to grab your camera and…

 

Speaker 4 32:32

I mean, look, clearly there was something going on between these women. One woman clearly was incensed with the other, starts fighting, the video starts, they’re kind of already fighting. It’s not like you get the back and forth before the fighting, they’re already engaged.

 

Speaker 2 32:49

The point is, if I’m in a group of people, I guess I’m crazy because if two people are getting ready to come to blows, my instinct is not to grab my phone and start using it.

 

Speaker 4 33:03

you’re never gonna get paid by TMZ for having the cool footage. So we’ll just, no, I’m just saying, we are in a society today where people pull out their phone. If someone gets attacked by an animal, some asshole is filming it.

 

Speaker 4 33:16

We do that now.

 

Speaker 3 33:18

Which is also kind of nuts when you think like we are so addicted and like just little slaves to our phones that our first reaction Even when you go go out sometimes and you’re like at a show or a concert and you look around there’s you know 40 ,000 people all with their phones in the air.

 

Speaker 3 33:34

No, no one paying attention to anything So this is this is the culture we’re in where everyone everyone thinks of themselves as some kind of important journalist Or I got to capture this and none of it’s important Right.

 

Speaker 3 33:43

The only thing that’s actually important is the people in the room with you right at that time

 

Speaker 4 33:48

But this is like world star type shit, like where two women are fighting on vacation, and someone whips out their phone, and oh, someone so -and -so got a beatdown, it’s bad, but it’s not like the most horrible thing I’ve ever seen, you know, it doesn’t look like someone’s trying to kill somebody, it looks like someone’s trying to beat the crap out of somebody to teach them a lesson for something.

 

Speaker 3 34:09

But then here’s the thing, if you are watching two people fight, whether you have your phone out or not, and they’re both on their feet at the beginning of the fight, and at the end of the fight, one of them is slumped on the ground, passed out, typically someone would offer some sort of assistance, especially if it’s theoretically your friends.

 

Speaker 3 34:26

You mean to stop the fight? No, to help the person who’s been knocked out.

 

Speaker 4 34:31

Kinda cuts, I don’t know what happens.

 

Speaker 3 34:33

after well we kind of know what happens because she’s on the

 

Speaker 4 34:36

So is that where they find her? Because she’s not in the bathroom. So somebody drags her. Or she went to the bathroom. I don’t know.

 

Speaker 3 34:44

the bathroom right and we don’t know and we know that her friends did not attend to her right during those five hours from that fight that fight happened at like

 

Speaker 4 34:52

seven in the morning now the friends suck clearly not good friends don’t travel with them but also she might have got herself to the bathroom to clean up and then you know her neck is fucked up and she collapses somebody should have taken care of her

 

Speaker 3 35:06

right and also the fact that that video happened at 7 a .m. right it’s around to something when the doctor comes that’s true and they’re saying oh she’s got alcohol poisoning like you’re not passed out from alcohol from seven hours ago

 

Speaker 4 35:20

So obviously they talked to these friends who the authorities no, what do you mean? No because they left they took off No, but we know who the people are. Yeah, but they left. It’s a crime. Oh, so only US can’t do anything.

 

Speaker 4 35:34

So Yeah, this is where it gets kind of

 

Speaker 3 35:40

So this is actually a reverse case, it’s unusual, it’s a little bit of a reverse. The Mexican authorities considered this a murder, right? They said that- What they call femicide. She was murdered for being a woman, right?

 

Speaker 3 35:53

For being a woman. Yeah, I remember crime against a woman for being a woman. I’m not sure why they designated that.

 

Speaker 2 36:00

It’s the equivalent to the United States homicide. And I guess because she’s a woman, it’s femicide. Okay.

 

Speaker 3 36:06

So they’ve said clearly there was an assault, the assault broke her neck, that eventually killed her. So they’re calling it a murder and they have asked for the United States to extradite this American suspect.

 

Speaker 3 36:23

She’s not named, but they want to bring her back to Mexico.

 

Speaker 4 36:28

I mean, they know who did it because she’s on video.

 

Speaker 3 36:30

Right, but we can’t say with certainty that that is exactly what killed her. We don’t know that well, but that’s the Presumption of the Mexican authorities. That’s why they’ve accused this person of homicide the bar to get the u .s.

 

Speaker 3 36:43

To extradite someone to another country Particularly a country like Mexico where the justice system can be a little wonky, right? It’s a very high bar Oh, so we’re not sending this person although gotta say

 

Speaker 2 36:56

you got a video right well but the video too this is where it gets again dicey the video doesn’t prove murder correct and that’s where it gets prison assault right and shaquella has an autopsy in the united states they do their autopsy uh -huh and there’s they find something different thoughts of inconsistencies what

 

Speaker 4 37:18

Like what?

 

Speaker 3 37:19

As Kim said, an autopsy was conducted back in the United States, radically different findings, right?

 

Speaker 2 37:25

And the United States, just in comparison, it seems that the Mexican authorities had done what they call a partial… Partial autopsy. Yeah. Yeah.

 

Speaker 3 37:36

Yeah, don’t know exactly what that means.

 

Speaker 4 37:38

Okay, so Mexican autopsy actually is something different. It’s like a regular autopsy. Well, they’re wrong

 

Speaker 3 37:43

They did enough to feel that they found the evidence of violent assault, broken spine, broken neck, and that was the cause of her death. Back here in Mecklenburg County in the United States, they determined no skull fractures, no evidence or hemorrhage of injury to surrounding neck muscle or the mid to low cervical or upper thoracic, no internal trauma, no fractures of the ribs.

 

Speaker 3 38:08

They say there’s no evidence of hemorrhaging, no fractures in the posterior of the spinal column, and no evidence of any disruption of the spinal column alignment. So essentially, their autopsy is almost the opposite of the Mexican one.

 

Speaker 3 38:24

And it’s done a little bit later. And the family at this point, of course, her family, who are very close, are absolute just the- Devastate. That deficit doesn’t even begin to describe it. I mean, they’ve lost their daughter, their sister, she’s siblings, right?

 

Speaker 3 38:38

Am I saying that right?

 

Speaker 2 38:39

He has one older sister.

 

Speaker 3 38:41

So they’ve lost their daughter their sister

 

Speaker 4 38:44

Hugely public. Yeah. Yeah. Frickin’ video that they have.

 

Speaker 3 38:47

the family has to watch. They believe, of course, that the assault had something to do with the death, not necessarily that it caused it, but that there’s something was going on that day beyond, you know, why did they call the ambulance?

 

Speaker 3 38:59

Why did they refuse the medical care? So her family engaged Ben Crump to help solve this, and they’ve been appealing to the State Department and the Biden administration to do something. But the American authorities have said, we don’t see any evidence of murder.

 

Speaker 3 39:14

We don’t, we leave it to murder, and we’re not going to extradite anybody to Mexico. We’re not going to pursue charges here. So as far as the FBI is concerned, it’s a case to close situation.

 

Speaker 2 39:29

The autopsy results in the American were undetermined.

 

Speaker 3 39:34

And her family says, because they also said you can’t find any evidence that these five or six people were somehow involved in, you know, either plotting this or covering it up. And her dad is like, yeah, give me five months after a crime and I can make all of my text messages and all my stuff go away too.

 

Speaker 4 39:54

Is there the possibility that this was all a setup?

 

Speaker 3 39:58

Dad seems to think there’s something, I mean, he, which, you know, maybe there is, but that could also be, he’s just looking. He wants to find something. I think if I was him, I’d be looking and trying to find something too, but the whole family definitely feels like justice has not been served.

 

Speaker 3 40:14

Yeah.

 

Speaker 4 40:15

I mean, hey, look, let’s plot the perfect murder. All we have to do is bring a whole bunch of people down to Mexico, film a fight and leave a person laying face down in a room and then we all get away with it.

 

Speaker 4 40:26

Seems a little crazy. Seems insane.

 

Speaker 2 40:28

The American autopsy, what they were able to do was essentially rule out, but they couldn’t rule in anything.

 

Speaker 4 40:40

Well, look, she had a seizure, you said.

 

Speaker 3 40:44

Pulmonary yeah when they were trying to put the ivy in to give her fluids right which was hours and hours does she?

 

Speaker 4 40:50

Does she have some kind of medical condition? Does she have some kind of… She never had seizures before.

 

Speaker 2 40:55

The thing is is that there were many things that could have caused her to die, right? It’s just whether or not The cause was because of the assault, right?

 

Speaker 3 41:07

It’s entirely possible that there was a fight between these two girls earlier that morning. Mm -hmm Horrible fight that a bunch of idiot friends filmed and didn’t do anything to stop. Mm -hmm And then she did have drinks or something like didn’t have alcohol poisoning got dehydrated And right, maybe her friends didn’t want to ruin their trip by taking off like sure there’s all these maybes But you know the Occam’s razor is just like like really can be what the Occam’s razor is Occam’s razor is the idea that like the simplest explanation is is often the correct explanation Not necessarily that you know that

 

Speaker 2 41:45

Josh, because, okay. Um, no, I wanted you to.

 

Speaker 4 41:48

I’m throwing out.

 

Speaker 3 41:50

out more random terms. The simplest explanation and the one that her family is sort of locked onto is there was this ridiculous assault. Their kid was battered probably either broke her spine or hit her head on the floor.

 

Speaker 3 42:04

Something happened that caused an internal injury that later in the day, because it was unattended to, led to a seizure and a cardiopulmonary arrest.

 

Speaker 2 42:12

The American autopsies noted that there was food particles in her lungs in airway, and the possibility she could have aspirated.

 

Speaker 4 42:22

Oh, if she tried to eat something or drink something after

 

Speaker 2 42:25

No, no, just if she’s in a semi -conscious state, she could have aspirated.

 

Speaker 4 42:31

Oh, I see what you’re saying. I mean, look, you can’t even rule out the fact that maybe somebody went and revisited her off camera away from everybody like she’s absolutely right. She could have been laying in another room or on the floor or something and then the girl came back and said this ain’t done and, you know, did something else.

 

Speaker 4 42:48

I don’t know.

 

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Speaker 4 43:50

So where does this, I mean, you have a clear assault on video.

 

Speaker 3 43:54

But the assault happened in a different country, so there’s nothing there’s nothing the US authorities can write about that The only thing that they could do is to agree to extradite the person doing the assault to Mexico to be tried for murder They’re not going to do that because the American authorities did this autopsy and said there was no broken spine There’s no internal hemorrhaging Therefore there was not an assault that led to murder action So we’re not sending anyone to Mexico to be tried for murder, and we’re not doing anything here, okay?

 

Speaker 3 44:24

how

 

Speaker 4 44:25

lifelike for the assaulter.

 

Speaker 3 44:26

Here little rough little rough for all the friends actually that video that you pulled up earlier and the fight. Yeah, so okay So there was another justice. There’s another fight

 

Speaker 4 44:35

in a parking lot it looked like and a whole bunch of

 

Speaker 3 44:37

It’s been a lot of street justice. Yeah, a lot of people the United States friends of Sharquilla or whether they think the assault led to her death or not There has been a lot of aggression and anger towards these kids who were down there who stood by and did nothing

 

Speaker 4 44:51

especially the girl who fought her.

 

Speaker 3 44:53

Yeah, but all of them, all of them, they’re all on.

 

Speaker 2 44:55

They are all getting that strong.

 

Speaker 4 44:57

receiving end. Interesting. Even the guys? All of them.

 

Speaker 3 45:02

All of them were, if not complicit. None of them made sure that she got to a hospital. Let’s paint the best version of this. There was a fight, whatever. She drank too much and passed out from alcohol poisoning.

 

Speaker 3 45:18

A doctor shows up and says, we need to take your friend to the hospital. None of them said, absolutely get her to the hospital now. I’m gonna throw that to you.

 

Speaker 4 45:28

something else though they could have all been drunk and stupid yeah you know if they’ve been partying all night you know and fighting and being idiots I mean yes certain things will sober you up quickly but at the same time your friend is out cold

 

Speaker 2 45:43

but they’re all fucked up. They pulled it together to get on a flight back to the US. Well, that was late.

 

Speaker 4 45:48

That was later, but they did have to change their plans. Right? Cause they left the day.

 

Speaker 3 45:53

four hours later.

 

Speaker 2 45:54

I know Nazir Wiggins I think. Oh yeah you said one came later. He came later and in fact had, I’m not even sure where he fits in all of this other than that he had done a video where he essentially says I have nothing to do with this when I came it was after.

 

Speaker 2 46:14

Oh.

 

Speaker 4 46:15

Okay. Now also, here’s the other thing, mystery who leaked the assault video.

 

Speaker 3 46:22

Yeah, we don’t know.

 

Speaker 4 46:23

And why was it to get someone in trouble and to say like and now granted she had already she was already dead, right? And the video came out

 

Speaker 3 46:31

Oh, yeah, it was months.

 

Speaker 4 46:32

So why the fuck would someone leak that unless they were like you need to take a look at this girl who fought her

 

Speaker 3 46:39

Can’t think of another reason video

 

Speaker 4 46:40

and they don’t know who leaked it.

 

Speaker 3 46:43

No, I mean, somebody knows, but we don’t know. Right, right, right. It’s a very strange case where you’ve got two totally conflicting autopsies, like whole chunks of the day missing, friends who weren’t helping, inconsistencies galore, friends who refused medical care and then ran out of the country as fast as they could, Mexican authorities demanding the extradition of a US citizen so they can try them for murder, the US authorities saying there was no murder, so we’re not sending anybody.

 

Speaker 3 47:10

So it’s like.

 

Speaker 4 47:12

Yeah, this is the weirdest perfect murder ever or perfect crime, I should say.

 

Speaker 3 47:16

Yeah, and my sense of this was there was no intention to murder someone, that it just… Yeah, it feels like a horrible accident. If there was a murder, it was an accidental… Yeah. That’s manslaughter, right?

 

Speaker 3 47:28

That’s manslaughter.

 

Speaker 4 47:29

but it’s definitely fucked up. It’s definitely a slight case.

 

Speaker 2 47:32

I mean, it’s interesting because Dejanae, the one who, I guess, is the one suspected of the assault that we see in the video. She was actually her birthday that they were there to celebrate. She was one of them.

 

Speaker 2 47:47

And one of the other, I think it was Malik, had sent an Instagram message or a post where he says something to the effect of, you know, happy birthday, I love you. I got you for life. And some people are like, hmm, what does that mean?

 

Speaker 2 48:06

I got you for life. Are you going to keep us? What does that mean? You mean afterwards? Yeah.

 

Speaker 4 48:14

Well, maybe he knows that she’s taken a lot of shit for the back that she’s on video assaulting the dead girl, and he’s just saying, I got your back. Right. Could be. Even the fact that they all scattered, like, you know what, you’re in a foreign country, there’s a death, like, we better get the fuck out of here because who knows that you don’t want to wind up in a Mexican prison.

 

Speaker 4 48:36

You don’t want to wind up in the Mexican justice system. You know what I’m saying? Right. Like, I would probably want to get the fuck out of there, too.

 

Speaker 3 48:43

Yeah, okay, but let’s say your friend dies, you’re on vacation, and you don’t feel you have any culpability, there’s no wrongdoing on your part, why would you leave their body in a foreign country without making any arrangements and go home?

 

Speaker 3 48:56

Wouldn’t you at least stay to make sure everything gets worked out?

 

Speaker 4 49:00

a foreign country, I don’t know, I would be spooked that you might think you have no wrongdoing, but who knows what is going to be… The interpretation. Yeah, interpreted, and what other people are going to say.

 

Speaker 4 49:12

I mean, look, obviously, everybody there had some small role in this, but probably not everybody equally, and it’s like you do things and you didn’t think it was going to matter that much. You’re recording this beating, for example, because it’s like whatever, and then it’s like, oh shit, this got out of hand, but it happened so fast, and then look, the girl stopped hitting her.

 

Speaker 4 49:38

In a way, I was expecting it to be worse that the girl was going to be unconscious and this other girl was just stomping on her, because I’ve seen videos like that, and that didn’t happen, and it was like, okay, we don’t know why this girl felt the need to attack her so viciously, and group mentality is also, it’s like if one person’s like, I’m out of here, I’m going to stay, or I’m like, be the martyr, or am I like, you know what, maybe they got the right idea, and let’s all get the fuck out of here.

 

Speaker 4 50:05

I don’t know. I can’t even imagine. Well, I’m not saying it’s the right thing. I can’t even imagine.

 

Speaker 2 50:09

I gotta say I don’t relate to any of it. I don’t relate to being a person. That’s more concerned about I Wouldn’t even think that I would even need to Necessarily care about this person in an emotional like oh, this is a dear friend Kind of way for me to be this is horrible.

 

Speaker 2 50:31

This should never have happened. What the fuck is going on?

 

Speaker 4 50:35

That’s why you’re a good person, you’re a wonderful wife, and terrific mother, and, you know, the person that you want to go to Mexico with.

 

Speaker 3 50:45

Also, but to that point like if I was in Mexico if I was like with a good friend or a friend and they died And I friend of a friend or friend of a friend or anyone that I was traveling with. Mm -hmm I would not leave the country because I didn’t do anything wrong I understand I know that if it’s clear that nothing wrong happened people die on vacations all the time We’re talking about murder.

 

Speaker 3 51:10

It’s like Asian the show about murder on vacation But people die on vacations all the time and you call the police me like my husband or wife died or my friend died And you deal with it if someone dies on vacation and your first impulse is to get the fuck out of that country Yeah, there’s probably something happening

 

Speaker 4 51:25

Here’s the thing. Well, we saw the video, but we didn’t see a video of everything that happened prior and after. That’s my point.

 

Speaker 3 51:33

Yeah, it’s like their behavior.

 

Speaker 2 51:36

All right, but the thing too also that you have to think about is if you’re on vacation and a member of your party dies, I get why you may not want to stay. But I guess the thing is, is that I’m surprised that everyone left without some clear understanding of what the next steps would be for.

 

Speaker 2 51:57

I wonder if one person was like, I’m out of here.

 

Speaker 4 52:00

And then everybody else is just like, oh, shit, you know what? Maybe I should go to because you get spooked and you’re like, if I’m the last man standing or last woman standing here, like, uh, this is all fall on me and now the cops are after me.

 

Speaker 4 52:13

And then I’ve got to answer all the questions. And look, I have no doubt that you two would stay and do the right thing if that’s the right thing. But I also would be like, you know, sending letters to Tim in a Mexican prison because you’d be there.

 

Speaker 4 52:28

Because somehow they, they got to blame somebody. So I can’t blame them for a lot of this. But at the same time, my takeaway, you got to know who you’re traveling with.

 

Speaker 2 52:40

You gotta know who your friends are. And who they’re not. And who they’re not. Her mother never thought in a million years that that would have turned out the way that it did.

 

Speaker 4 52:53

have to throw out there.

 

Speaker 2 53:00

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

Speaker 4 53:04

Did they ever suspect the private chef?

 

Speaker 10 53:11

You got to do it clean.

 

Speaker 4 53:17

one thing I gotta know did they ever suspect the private chef cooking up the perfect crime that’s what’s on the menu murder on the men yeah

 

Speaker 10 53:31

oh man yeah it’s hot in the kitchen yeah yeah that’s a good maybe we should uh open up reopen the investigation into the into the chef uh oh my god

 

Speaker 4 53:45

Fuck me

 

Speaker 3 53:47

So where are we at now? So the family’s raised over $700 ,000 for her legal fund. Her sister started a GoFundMe, yeah. The family is not letting this go. Basically, they said exactly what you said, this is the perfect location quote, is that the family’s attorney said, the message cannot be that U .S.

 

Speaker 3 54:03

citizens can go overseas, commit crimes against other U .S. citizens, and then come back and say, I’m on base, I’m safe, and I’m not gonna be arrested, and that there’s gonna be such delay in the investigation that the evidence will have time to dissipate, right?

 

Speaker 3 54:17

So intentionally or not, these kids just sort of found themselves in the perfect Venn diagram of like, they’re okay. The family is continuing to petition the State Department and Biden administration to do something.

 

Speaker 3 54:31

Their feeling is that she was murdered, and they want someone brought to justice.

 

Speaker 11 54:37

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Speaker 2 55:35

Do you think something should happen? I mean, what are your thoughts?

 

Speaker 3 55:41

So, my thoughts on this case are the giant question that is left unanswered by the discrepancy between the Mexican autopsy, which says her spinal cord was broken, that’s how she died, and the U .S. autopsy, which says her spinal cord was not broken, so she wasn’t murdered, is then how did she die?

 

Speaker 3 56:01

Because the Mexican autopsy also said that she did not have alcohol in her system.

 

Speaker 2 56:07

Well, there’s all kinds of what did the U .S. say she did or there was no toxicology report. They couldn’t do the U .S. was so much late later. Right. Right. Most people that are tested for alcohol poisoning are getting that test at presentation.

 

Speaker 2 56:23

So we may never know. We just.

 

Speaker 3 56:25

No, no, that’s the question I have is you know, if she didn’t have alcohol poisoning and she didn’t break her neck or her spine Right what happened what happened? You know

 

Speaker 4 56:32

I do think that they you know in a perfect world you get each of those kids in a room alone Separated from the others and get there

 

Speaker 2 56:41

A proper interrogation, which did not happen. No, did not happen.

 

Speaker 3 56:45

And that’s the family’s beef, is like, why is that not happening? And the FBI and the U .S. government are saying, well, we would only do that if we suspected a crime. Right. And because the Mecklenburg County autopsy showed no evidence of damage to her spine or neck, they’re saying, well, there is no…

 

Speaker 3 57:01

Where is Mecklenburg? It’s in North Carolina.

 

Speaker 4 57:04

The family lives in North Carolina. Here’s the thing, if I’m the family, Khalil, get the fuck over here. What happened? You’re her friend. Sit down with us and tell us every detail.

 

Speaker 3 57:16

Well, this is the nature of some of the street justice and fights that’s happening now around this. Like, I would think if this happened in the United States, let’s just pretend it happened in the U .S.

 

Speaker 3 57:23

A kid, let’s just say she got alcohol poisoning. She passes out. She’s out cold for seven or eight hours. Her friends refuse medical care for three hours, say, don’t worry about it. And then finally, they try and give her an IV and she dies.

 

Speaker 3 57:37

I feel like we’d at least do an investigation into criminally negligent homicide for somebody. Because someone in that situation was essentially saying, we’re not gonna care for her in the way that the medical authority is suggesting we do.

 

Speaker 3 57:54

I just don’t know if the U .S. authorities can do that. If they’re saying that her spine wasn’t broken and her neck wasn’t broken, then what that leaves you with is alcohol poisoning. And if her friends were like, we’re not gonna let her go to the hospital to be cared for, even though she’s dehydrated, unresponsive and has alcohol poisoning, they were negligent, weren’t they?

 

Speaker 3 58:12

In some way? I don’t know, legally? But I feel like in the U .S., they’d at least be brought in for questioning.

 

Speaker 2 58:19

I mean, look, we know she didn’t just magically die for like something happened to her. It was noted that there were abrasions and cuts and scrapes all over her body, you know, indicative of that.

 

Speaker 4 58:32

was in a fight we saw that she was in a fight I mean there could be surface wounds and bruises and stuff but again I’ve seen crazy -ass fights guys kicked right in the face

 

Speaker 3 58:42

leaving people in for questioning in this country for making a left turn against a red signal. Again, I don’t understand the international rules around criminal investigations, but if this happened in the United States, they all absolutely would have been questioned.

 

Speaker 3 58:55

Oh, of course. And then they…

 

Speaker 4 58:56

Consistencies well they they but they split before the Mexican authorities could question them correct genius move on their part So we’re lucky well, whatever, but they got out they got out before they could get you know Into the system maybe she was okay, then the IV came who puts fentanyl in the IV

 

Speaker 2 59:14

No, that’s not what happened. All right.

 

Speaker 3 59:17

Okay, I’m not fancy.

 

Speaker 4 59:20

What? It seemed like everything was okay until they tried to put that IV in. Now… Am I on the couch again tonight?

 

Speaker 3 59:27

Not okay. No, I know. I would say my takeaway from this is for the other people who were there Which is like put your fucking phone down and take care of other human beings when they’re having problems That’s an excellent.

 

Speaker 3 59:38

That’s my takeaway put your fucking phone down pay attention and help other people Even if it means you might get in some trouble

 

Speaker 2 59:45

step the fuck up yeah like if you see something

 

Speaker 3 59:48

Crazy. Yeah, be a fucking decent human being and help. Why is that so hard? World star. Fuck world star. I don’t even know what that is. Sounds bad. Keep saying it. Sounds bad. Fuck them.

 

Speaker 4 01:00:05

All right, well, Kimmy, do you have any takeaway?

 

Speaker 2 01:00:09

Now I guess I just will piggyback on what Jerry said. Just, you know, use your best judgment. Follow your conscience. Are you looking at something that is egregiously fucked up and just not doing anything?

 

Speaker 2 01:00:25

Maybe do something.

 

Speaker 4 01:00:27

Just for the record, Kim skipped right from being a teenager to being a very mature 30 -year -old. She did not have her drunken 20s.

 

Speaker 2 01:00:37

That is correct, I didn’t.

 

Speaker 3 01:00:39

Will say that even in my 20s when I was under the influence of whatever if something bad was happening I Took care of it like I paid attention right came to and my friends did too, right? That’s why

 

Speaker 4 01:00:53

I will go to Mexico with both of you and stay.

 

Speaker 3 01:01:01

Yeah, I was never like oh, well I’m partying so whatever

 

Speaker 4 01:01:04

So you said that villa was like 1500 a night. It’s got to be cheaper now right after this We should be able to get it for like 600 500

 

Speaker 3 01:01:16

Oh man. What? Dude, that’s dark. That’s a dark discount.

 

Speaker 4 01:01:23

Well, you know.

 

Speaker 10 01:01:25

All right, let’s wrap it up. Anyway.

 

Speaker 4 01:01:27

Yeah, this was a this was a crazy one, but one we knew was coming because this had been in the news We got to the bottom of this sort of did we I don’t know anyway

 

Speaker 3 01:01:37

Don’t feel like we did.

 

Speaker 4 01:01:39

Well, this one is going to stay in the news for a while, I think. So keep, uh, you know, keep looking out for the stuff that I have to revisit this one. Yeah. Thank you for listening to Slick Haitian.

 

Speaker 4 01:01:47

We’ll see you on the next one.